vim from emacs

I started programming no more than 5 years ago. It just take a little configuring. There’s a constant influx of new users, who often become converts once they reach a level of mastery that they grok the advantages of the model. Being able to code comfortable for a few minutes with Vim lets me do some quick hacks in servers without having to scp the content… develop in my full IDE and upload back. The second point about vim vs. emacs war is also presumptuous (is it April’s Fool already?). One is tabs vs buffers, in vim you can have different split layouts for every tab. But it’s not really for any of the shallow, misleading motivations given in the article. How is using a modern IDE being “unwilling to fully embrace the future of code editing”? Was this article intended to be written from an objective perspective? With vim I can have a consistent editing environment between all of those, including my own computer. For me, once I realized how efficient I could be with using the keyboard only, I couldn’t let go. The new generation of programmers really need to pull up their socks and actually learn Emacs or Vim. just last week, I started diving into Emacs. You can start working in Doom Emacs in no time if you have some VIM knowledge and are willing to let go of your mouse for good. If you work as a coder, you'll be glad to hear that they are wrong. Many modern developers do not understand how or what git actually does, they just press the button and it’s done for them, (That’s not necessarily bad or wrong; I think it depends on their role). Combining this with powerful IDE’s like Rider or Visual Studio, I became an absolute powerhouse. For everything else? ), Vim uses a sliver of the system's memory and it loads instantly, all the while delivering the same features. It’s an amazing plugin. The reason it pushed me away in the first place was its out-of-box configuration. Simply everything I do on a computer that isn’t browsing. I’ll give you my reason: It fits into the unix toolchain. Vim is a great text editor that one can extend. I had to use eglot for a python script as lsp was too slow or incomplete with any supported server for that script. There is much to be annoyed with in emacs and vim, but the newer IDEs need to mine then a heck of a lot more for ideas before I jump so again. I use it because for the most part, it makes me far more effective than the alternatives. Those resources are awesome. For example – modern IDEs don’t force you to use mouse. (Simplest possible example, think adding tags to your headings and being able to search by tags. – I know many colleagues starting out with an IDE and THEN switched to VIM. She may give it a try, only to find that she’s an amateur at it and it would take years of her life to become as expert as she already is on the violin. It required me to have opinions on almost every aspect of the editor I love using a good IDE, I use VSCode which is the only worthwhile thing to ever come from Microsoft. Emacs and VIM are much more than an IDE. I don’t have that energy. It should be seen as a text editing language. My experience transitioning from Vim to Emacs. > That said, if you’re new to programming, a modern IDE could be helpful. Nevertheless, I do use both these tools (yes, both!) There’s no advantage to doing source control on your editor over doing git on the command line. I live on the command line and the fluidity of using vim there is unparalleled. It’s also using a terrible javascript based environment which is slow, buggy, memory intensive and might well be considered a memory leak by design. Its what I find easier and more comfortable. Last year, I didn’t know what a pointer was. I can SSH into any box and have a powerful editor waiting for me and I don’t have to use Nano to configure a system. Trying to open a data file of a few tens of megabytes on these modern magic editors, you will find that the program will just freeze. Downside is, once you get past the initial stage, things get difficult. Text editor purists often impose odd and highly personalized constraints and conventions on their team just to ensure that their fragile workflows and habits aren’t challenged. Why do programmers use them instead of IDEs? what day is today? The new search editor in Vscode is promising though. For instance, if for some reason you wanted to write a server for testing your web code in real time, you would write it in some other language like Node and then have your typical IDE call Node… but in Emacs you can literally just pull down the web server package and spin up your server in the editor. Although, I do use VIM keybindings in PyCharm. Somehow vim survived all this editors, and the article does not even try to understand why? After investigating, i found the reason was the ms python language server was taking nearly 6GB of ram. And the Emacs community in general is ridiculously intelligent. Even with 40 plugins, my Vim is still far lighter than NetBeans or PHPStorm. I would say, that is the Vim/Emacs for Windows people. (I can, nowadays, but I don’t have to.). When you save it, your edits are propagated to the underlying files. Vim uses HJKL because it’s “Vi IMproved” and vi was created on the Lear Siegler ADM-3A. I don’t care. I don’t think I’ll ever go back. Until something else provides all of the flexibility and power that emacs does, then I don’t see any reason to use them. Eventually I just decided to really learn it and bend it to my will, and I’ve never looked back. It will take a while for me to get a me a replacement laptop, so, I had to use something lighter. I used IDE’s. You haven’t heard of Magit then? To me this sounds like you did not even research the established editors. It’s fam… They are just great. It’s fine to like the interface you like. I don’t use an IDE these days, but when I started programming (Java, using JBuilder) the IDE provided a nice leg-up. Why? Well, maybe there is a reason for this. I started out with IDEs; first eclipse then later intellij family of IDEs. You CAN use mouse if you’re still in the middle of memorizing couple hundreds of shortcuts, but at least in JetBrains tools I use, there is always keyboard only way to do the job. At that stage, the important thing was learning how to write a program. Vim and Emacs user environments are well-designed and functional. – IDEs are really good when designing UIs, but there is so much software written that has no UI. Now i am using a lot of packages, customized to meet my needs. If you don’t think so, it tells me very little about you (and not “unable to break out of their comfort zone; unwilling to fully embrace their potential in coding”). The same goes for your choice of file manager, window manager, SQL client, diff tool, terminal, input devices, log viewer, and what-not. I am much too young to do this because it’s always been like that. Vim and Emacs aren’t going anywhere anytime soon, no matter their antiquated status in modern development environments. Some comments here can be summed up as “I love how lightweight vim is, but I use a bunch of plugins to make my life easier”. Damn, its just awesome. With just a couple lines of elisp of vimscript you get access to LSP-powered autocompletion, formatting, refactoring and linting. The Jetbrains products (PyCharm, et. And spent as much time in it as in an IDE? Also, we don’t hate vimmers. And, so, she goes back to the violin.¹ People write blog posts about how she’s in a “raging war” with progress, but she doesn’t actually care: she just wants to enjoy making music again. That was corny, I know. Also; it’s not that I haven’t used modern IDE’s. The first is that editors like vi are not as feature rich as a modern IDE, and it’s that simplicity that attracts developers shy away from the “weird new food” of an IDE. I can extend the editor and the UI, override anything to create a domain-specific editor for stuff no one is ever going to produce a commercial product to support. I can 2p to paste something twice, or 12yy to copy 12 lines. Most other tools can be left to personal choice. I think of it as a risk to business continuity for the vast majority of companies out there. Mike Zamansky's Emacs tutorials. Huh? I couldn’t live in a world without Vim. In short, IDEs help with the process of writing only, not with the quality of the end product. The disconnect is apparent and, at this point, understandable. Maybe this exists for Vim, but the Emacs community is more visible. So somehow everything has changed, but vim survived. This an exponential explosion of keystrokes you have to learn if you want to be maximally efficient in every tool you use, so most people don’t even bother investing in deep mastery of all their tools. Many of us won’t use, say, the hole punch or the toothpick, but it’s nice to know it’s there. I use VS if I’m developing Windows desktop software in Windows because it’s obviously well-suited to that, but I’m much happier whenever it’s practical to do things the *nix way. We don’t stick with Emacs because it’s what we’re used to – we stick with it because it’s powerful and, above everything else, flexible/configurable/rewritable through its near entirety. This has led users to literally turn Atom into Vim”. Even those with a good plugin architecture often work very different with each language. Whether you want to automate part of your programming workflow, or just don’t want to switch screens to post questions to Stack Exchange and search the answers, you can implement it right in Emacs itself or often find a package someone already wrote for it (and when they haven’t, there’s still a decent chance to use a library that makes it easy enough to write). In Vim to delete until the end of a word you do dw, which "literally translated" to Emacs would also be two keystrokes (M-@ C-w --Emacs uses noun-verb order, like visual mode, not verb-noun like normal mode), but "idiomatic" Emacs would use the shortcut M-d which is a single key. here. I mean, those are all available on Vim/Neovim and Emacs. Yes, I was always frustrated by notepad (and edlin!!) I’m not saying that is necessarily the truth either, but the article sure doesn’t succeed at convincing me otherwise even though it really wants to. But beyond that, it’s awfully self indulgent to hash up the preference solely to using what works. forgot to mention: Some people know how to operate it, and find it valuable despite it’s quirks. Vim is a refuge to anyone who, god forbid, has had the misfortune of working with a very large project in Eclipse and gotten to experience it randomly deciding to re-index all the source files IN THE GUI THREAD. Regarding modern IDEs, at least in the Emacs community I don’t see any hostility toward them, they even collaborate on subjects like LSP which would have never existed without VSCode. I only wish I could integrate that one idea from SpaceVim without also taking in all the rest of their config. Using modern IDEs with vim plugins/modes/whatever is where the real power is. Vim can be that too, but I find it better to work the other way. I restrain myself from criticism based on the evidence that you are not a Vim user and don’t understand the most important points about which your opining. I am not including “shell commands” here. And emacs is an IDE. And, though we hate to say it, both have reached a point where neither seems to really want to fade off into the sunset. > Vim is always available. That thing is “editing”. to get these features, but that’s quite resource-hungry. The argument over IDEs vs Vi/Vim/Emacs has been completely irrelevant to me, in my almost 40 year career. Many of us won’t use, say, the hole punch or the toothpick, but it’s nice to know it’s there. Emacs also has “code completion, Git control, and and even automatic deployment systems”. In my last position I was *given* a laptop running a corporate image (Windows 7) and was (barely) able to get Cygwin installed on it. In fact most people I know making the switch are young developers. Still I clumsily “miss notes” occasionally and wind up off in the weeds accidentally. It’s a tradeoff, but one that appeals greatly to programmers: after all, scripting up whatever we need is our whole job. Probably that’s also because vim is always where I need it (or installed in seconds). Sometimes I have access to GUI’s, sometimes ssh, and sometimes I only have a tty over rs232. This. What a ridiculous article. It’s just not an IDE. Living in the terminal is an upgrade in itself, especially with tmux in the mix. It can be customized and extended to anything modern IDEs do faster with lower resource usage. I discovered a fantastic piece of software, extremely extensible and carried by a community who creates excellent packages. vi and emacs keystrokes are, by intention, as complete and efficient as possible, and all without needing to switch hand position between keyboard and a mouse. Try buiding a phone app with vim. When I reached the end I was surprised — I must have missed the part where the software was discussed, as all I read was a typecasting of vim/emacs users. C-v for page down and M-v for page up? I’m surprised that RubyMine still doesn’t have file previews when search for files, but it has a great previewer for when searching file contents, and you even can edit the file without properly opening it. By doing so, instead of dropping my pinky to the CTRL key constantly (not a comfortable key to hit), I can stay in the home row all day without tiring myself out. Modern editors and IDEs are great. This second part is about flawed Vim design choices which substantially contributed to my choice. Even with the “vim mode” in PyCharm they dont do 1/100 of what vim does, so I have, sometimes, to copy / paste from Rider to vim, work on the code, and copy / paste back. In the mid 2018 I started teaching myself Clojure, a dialect of the Muscle memory works both for you and against you – some people have no idea how irritating it is when programs like Gimp will not open a file when you press ALT F O but fail to take your finger off the ALT key before pressing the O. 18 Dec 2019 Kevin Sonney (Correspondent) Feed 50 These authors obviously have no idea what Emacs and even modern Vim are like to use. > That said, if you’re new to programming, a modern IDE could be helpful. And i tend to think that after a moderate amount of customisation of either one vim will still start up faster than emacs. However, I really love vim’s feature for pointing directly to specific line number on opening text files. and focus on Clojure solely for a while (using both VSCode and IntelliJ.) If you want me to switch to your editor, and tempt me with a vim mode, then you need to give me something in return. This is all to say that it’s my opinion that putting vim and modern IDEs in separate buckets is a classification error. Vim has more features than it’s predecessor but retains a text-based environment. I’m grateful that I’ve never worked in a team that gave a darn about my choice of IDE and/or text editor. https://medium.com/@SaravSun/running-gui-applications-inside-docker-containers-83d65c0db110. The fact your calling it a more “primitive” text editor tells me you have never delved that deep into vim. opensource projects to gain more real world experiences. It will do absolutely anything you want to unreasonable levels. Modern IDEs are indeed amazing (always have been, really). You like Emacs, use Emacs. Reply. I use PyCharm for more complex tasks or debugging. But I see more practical evidence against the productivity hype and I think if most text-mode fans put as much effort into a JetBrains produt as they do their text editor of choice, they would realize that keyboard shortcuts aren’t exactly new anymore. "Evil Mode: Or, How I Learned But: there are usually already packages for most things you’d want to do, including typical IDE stuff (someone mentioned Language Server Protocol, we’ve got that; also spellcheck, project browsing, version control, you name it), so you’re not starting completely from scratch either. But i think i am gonna be stuck with emacs and i will keep loving it. After reading the article, I really wonder if any of the authors use some regular IDE, because arguments written in the article are wrong or at least biased. You know, I’ve actually seen a trend of newer devs switching from modern IDEs into VIM. An similar article could make the exact same kinds of arguments, and be just as woefully misguided: “Modern operating systems are magic. I would actually love to have more graybeards to pepper with questions but they’re all on irc and it’s too much hassle to keep that open when everything else is slack. So really, I don’t think antiquated would be an appropriate term. But, when put in the scenario where you have to edit files on a machine with no UI, the utility of those “outdated” systems will become much more apparent. And so on. > Most IDEs create entire worlds where developers can create, but creating requires configuration. Like a dog refusing to walk on wet grass, there always seemed to be a bit of resistance to changing up a routine. I wanted to rename them to 2019-01-02-IMG, 2020-03-02-DSC, etc. The novice would do better to do it by hand, with make and an editor and learn how things work. That forces developers to learn how to configure and use multiple IDEs in order to be efficient. It looks a little more dense at first blush because one of the most common uses is TODO lists and it uses headings for entries (try doing that in Markdown and you have some idea why Org documents often look… busy); but it can be used for plain old human-readable markup if that’s all you need, or it can be used, like Emacs itself, for just about anything. When one group is hurting, we have to…. All of us have used IDEs and rejected them. I have tried IDE’s and I dont like them. because of a lot of the features and customizations can only be done I use an IDE. There is an interesting project trying to do this called Oni2, and I can’t wait. Honestly what I want is the Vim-way of editing mixed with the modern way of organizing my editor. There’s no value proposition available today where that makes sense. Like Gandalf in Lord Of The Rings. It does one thing and it does it well - text manipulation. I agree about Magit; in Vim there is a port called vimagit, which is also top-notch. . But for JS and Python development, Vim is pretty good. I’ve learned vim. You don't need to go through 117 layers of menus to apply compilation options because your IDE invokes the compiler for you. I can easily switch to Kanji or ancient greek (and create Anki cards to help me with both). Honestly, the people I see using IDEs are mostly working on legacy systems, and people using vim or other text editors are working on vanguard technologies. This is a bit like suggesting a Latex user that the future of text publishing is Microsoft Word. This “wars” thing is a load of ***. But none of these could be a full time alternative for me; Vim is less of an IDE than Emacs and the others only work for limited … maybe just try an IDE from this century – you might lighten up a bit! Yeah a lot of people don’t change because they could not be bothered to learn another IDE. No fiddling with the mouse, being in the dismay of the UX designer of VSCode. Like one Vim user put it “it’s chords all the way down”. Back to IDEs. They are fallbacks. And adding each plugin usually adds a lot of overhead. After a decade of using vim I switched to CLion and was very happy since it had vi key bindings. It’s like a text manipulation *engine*, where you build up text transformation tools on the fly, quickly, intuitively, that you’d otherwise have to write custom code to do. Emacs is truely an amazing piece of software that I had so much fun with. Your article seems to have a bit of confusion, I think: Emacs is an IDE, not a text editor. All to compensate for the absence of editor code awareness which – to me – is a metaphor for analysis and reflection. And, like most Swiss Army Knives, you don’t have to use all the features to find them useful, especially if you’re just starting out. Emacs provide same services like “magic IDEs” but its keyboard controlled as opposed to IDEs being mouse controlled. I can’t express the stupidity of this. Does that even This is really weird. Disclamer - I went from using emacs to vim about 10 years ago and I habitually use vim on Windows and Unix/Linux based systems. Clueless. Reply. given the tool I need to solve my problems. B. Incredibly, I miss Windows EDIT very much. If you can use an IDE without wasting time on the IDE itself — then good for you. Man is it fast. Because Vim is modal, these commands are plain text, human-readable and editable. Vim is a dual mode editor and that feature alone unleashes a storm of fast efficient functionality that can be used from second to second as you type. I think the difference is if a team is required to use an IDE then someone else has made this all work for them and only through the IDE can they get necessary resources. I think you have to devote time and effort to any tool to decide in the long run if it’s right for you. Then terminal VIM, Then switched back to an IDE (Visual Studio Code). A photo of what my Emacs looks like. Because it’s so ubiquitous, this editing model is supported by almost every major editor and IDE. Making it even better, if you want to do something programmatic with that web browsing, feed reading, email, whatever it is: typically having it implemented in Emacs makes it possible to further script as needed. For one thing, vim is always there (well vi is), but emacs very rarely is. Past? 2) An IDE often integrates *too many* tools. ¹ Well, technically it’s a “vimolin” now, but close enough. I know about vim and emacs from way back, but never used them in anything other than command line editing. While a coder could sit down at any terminal and begin working in Vim, that isn’t true for any IDE. Eventually I was forced to work in a plain tty for some weeks and I knew about the existence of Emacs and Vim, but never got serious about them. Maybe I walked away and forgot to hit “post.” It was a little rant-like, though, so I think this is better anyway. The i found visual studio code, and i thought, wow, its great, i have finally found something simple but feature rich or at least has the features i need. To split and rotate windows at will? I’ve used vim to edit config files, take notes, read documents, and other non-programing tasks for years. Visual Studio streamlines just about every aspect of developing useful software, and vim streamlines every facet of actually inputting and editing text. I'm already using Vim for small edits, Jupyter Notebooks for exploratory analysis and sometimes RStudio when I want to use some HTML R features, or for some R Markdown (because Emacs polymode is a little buggy around the edges). This article makes the mistaken assumption that you wouldn’t have code-completion and static analysis running in the background with vim. I wish there was a modern vim. Everything’s extensible, including the extensions. I’m a younger developer who started in IDE’s and moved to emacs instead. The reason programmers like me still use it is because it’s a text editor written by programmers for programming. I use Emacs to write my website, journal articles, books and manage my projects. But the concepts at the core of vim are powerful and I wish modern IDE followed suite. Magit is so powerful I never get the issues my coworkers have with git. Sometimes you just need to edit a file. I have used vscode for nearly 2 years. Vim uses editing modes - most commonly the command mode and insert mode. I would like to know what gave you the feeling there was some hostility here, maybe I missed something. It would’ve been nice to have an intelligent look at both, but here we are. The Overflow #25: New tools for new times. I was learning quite a bit from both the official documentation Now, let’s discuss why someone would choose a simple text-based program or a modern GUI. I tried to get access to the data elements used by Epic and was repeatedly told that was off limits. 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